tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post3160101841607505217..comments2023-10-16T08:12:13.145-05:00Comments on Four and Twenty+ Blackbirds: How Does the Conservative Reformation Guide Us TodayRev. Rick Stuckwischhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10664716292792101540noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-18054682578768937692011-02-08T06:58:12.587-06:002011-02-08T06:58:12.587-06:00Paul,
The thing is we can't simply say, "...Paul,<br /><br />The thing is we can't simply say, "This is in the service of God" because the people who are coming up with some crazy idea also think that they are doing it in the service of God. We have to show, "This is better than what you are proposing." <br /><br />It's not that the crazy pastor doesn't think you "want" to serve God... he just thinks you are lousy at it and should use his new method. Have to pick the new method apart.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-46065315420893893822011-02-07T21:46:01.398-06:002011-02-07T21:46:01.398-06:00This was Luther's own principle as well when h...This was Luther's own principle as well when he called for the observance of Matins and Vespers in the Church, "That the Word of God may have free course..." <br /><br />This is the motivation behind weekday services, behind the lectionaries, etc. It is in service to the Word of God. I hate it when people forget that.Rev. Paul Beiselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04678751687495292703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-73758111015100618222011-02-07T19:35:38.979-06:002011-02-07T19:35:38.979-06:00You know, I would confess: I have no desire to re...You know, I would confess: I have no desire to return to what was practiced at Magdeburg wholesale. I'd love to recapture some of the music (but put it in English and in standard notation); but I'm not a fan of the idea of a return to a Latin Mass; nor necessarily even of chanting every reading. What I would love to recapture for our people is the profound sense of reverence that attended those services - the sheer amount of effort that went into them testifies to how sacred they held the Gottesdienst and the Daily Office. It was a LOT of work. But they did it so that the word of Christ might dwell among them richly, and that it might be given a fitting adornment, together with the Body and Blood of the Savior. I think our LSB has struck a good balance of holding onto the past treasures and helping to make them accessible to our folk today.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-57549906717129871972011-02-07T17:44:12.066-06:002011-02-07T17:44:12.066-06:00Grumble grumble. Joni Mitchell. Stupid song...Grumble grumble. Joni Mitchell. Stupid song...Martin Diershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14455045241461983409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-80063215969519026762011-02-07T09:49:28.828-06:002011-02-07T09:49:28.828-06:00Exactly, Pr. Beisel. Exactly.Exactly, Pr. Beisel. Exactly.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-2550971611527774542011-02-07T08:14:08.214-06:002011-02-07T08:14:08.214-06:00Key word being "responsible." Legalism a...Key word being "responsible." Legalism and License are the two ditches that people fall into. <br /><br />I think that it would do well for us to uphold the Confessional principle that we do not condemn other churches for having fewer or more ceremonies. If a congregation understands their freedom in the Gospel, and desires to use more elaborate ceremony, I see nothing in the Scriptures or the Confessions that would prohibit that. <br /><br />On the other hand, one can show reverence toward the Sacrament without genuflecting. I am not going to pass judgment on a brother or his congregation if they have fewer ceremonies than me, so long as they are using the liturgy of the Church and are not making a spectacle of Divine Service.Rev. Paul Beiselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04678751687495292703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-25232145890318357062011-02-07T08:07:16.409-06:002011-02-07T08:07:16.409-06:00A Piepkorn quote for you to stow away: The respon...A Piepkorn quote for you to stow away: The responsible use of freedom is itself a catholic principle.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-52885100239142006372011-02-07T08:01:57.326-06:002011-02-07T08:01:57.326-06:00Certainly I think both are needed - but you hit up...Certainly I think both are needed - but you hit upon the heart of the matter (again) with the idea of "freedom". I think both these principals need to be maintained, and perhaps the main errors, or even perhaps the main tension between them arise only when freedom is abandoned and one is put forth as more necessary than the other. <br /><br />Which is what makes 3 so damaging. It is a claim to freedom that in reality isn't.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-627517209657132818.post-87490996216600790772011-02-07T07:48:33.657-06:002011-02-07T07:48:33.657-06:00I would think that in our day a bit of both is nee...I would think that in our day a bit of both is needed. Certainly there are those practices up with which we should put; there are also practices that might come to be cherished again, when introduced with care and thought. I think of how wide-spread the practice of the elevation has become in our own day (sort of an anti-receptionist confession). And the inching back towards a fuller sanctoral cycle such as we discover in LSB compared to TLH. Weekly Eucharist is another example of good, solid old practice coming back into force. The Church has an enormous attic, stuffed full of stuff. Every once in a while rummaging around in it, one finds a piece that our ancestors put away that we think would actually be splendid to bring down, dust off, and use again. We have the freedom to do that, which is part of the glory of being a Lutheran Christian.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.com